im backk so effies true name, raised by wolves, is a direct reference to romulus and remus. in the founding myth of rome, romulus and remus were twins born of a vestal virgin and mars (ares), so another link to war as a concept there, and they were left in a river to die by drowing (cassie saw effie "drowing" in nightmare creatures in the forgotten shore vision) but were saved by a FEMALE WOLF!! who RAISED them!! and this vestal virgin, their mother, was a descendant of the king of the latins, who himself was a descendant of aeneas who is the SON OF APHRODITEE!! and if we're going w aphrodite areia being a part of war god this is a clear link ! aeneas also escaped from the trojan WAR but was fighting for the trojans so.. still i think this connections cool bcs romulus (after he killed remus) is a symbol of the usherance in of the new 'roman' age to me, separating it from greco-s*it and effies sort of similar as her son is a symbol of a new generation of the nightmare spell
weaver- arachne, but also the fates (moirai) bcs the fates controlled human lives with a string (sound familiar) and cut it when they died and arachne Sorrowful explained amazingly. ANDD THE FATES ONLY HAD ONE EYE BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM LIKE HOW VTB TOOK WEAVERS EYE
nether- his name makes me think underworld and so does the whole prince thing, destiny works cus evb is destined to end up in the underworld, but also choice bcs ur choices while alive can get u into elysium or leave u in the fields of asphodel
hope- elpis, stuck in the jar boom but also eros again cus demon of 'desire' and in the psyche myth aphrodite locked him away so psyche couldnt see him
oblivion- this reminds me of how the greeks believed in names having power; they wouldnt say hades' name bcs they didnt want the god of death to notice them and drag them down early– similar concept?
OH MY GODDD!!!!!! DEF DEF DEFFF!! the stories were myths in which the gods took advantage of, cheated, abused or otherwise mistreated humans or eachother which athena took as a slight on them which fits with how weaver wants to expose the 'lies' of the gods like how arachne presented what she was their true nature and expose their lies in acting righteous!! and we know how that myth ended for her (athena bashed her over the head w a part of a loom and turned her into a spider 😭) good luck weaver
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So for arachne being weaver in SS, there is another clue which you have probably found, but I thought I should lay it bare. We know weaver created the spell, for the purpose? we don't know. If you read about her, arachne wove a traspetry of hubris, meaning of self-pride/arrogance. If my memory is not betraying me, vividly I remember Weaver being called arrogant by the gods, but I can be misremembering. It's a cool fact with solidifies more the connection between arachne and waever (for those not knowing of Arachnes story).
Edit: Arachne also added tales filled with deceiveiment and lies inside the tapestry (of male gods assuming other forms and deceiving women). Similar to the nightmares which the cohort experienced, filled with what the gods had done.
Also, sunny suspects the true motive behind the spell.
and u can even go further back to phonecian and sumerian myths and have sum real wild s*it happen like aphrodite being ishtar and also astarte and adonis being tamuz and persephone being older than her husband and i think also coming from ereshkigal or dionysus being the god pan AND sum funny s*it like how the greeks might have thought the god pan was dead only cus they heard the cult of tamuz talking abt HIS death and translated wrong😭😭
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The tough part is not that there is a lot, it's that there are MANY different interpretations due to text. Different poems, texts and leftover messages from many different authors are pieced together, compared and most don't even pave the same path.
Now, going even deeper, there are drawn lines with for example roman gods. So for example Helios the personification of the sun has it's roman equivalent Sol. Besides roman, there is also celtic.
And you can go back and forth because sometimes the lines aline, as with pluto and hades, and sometimes they don't.
I would love to chat more about this, but I have to get my thesis fixed and have 3 days left. I'll probably drop by again later and see what you cooked. I'll dwelve a bit deeper into mythology myself. So you don't feel as lonely.
Gotta check cassandra of troy too. Can't forget any of our blind queens lore.
effie- athena is literally god of battle tactics and strategy go figure, both use spears, athena's epithet 'promachos' (she who fights in front) is literally effie to a tee, athenas mother was swallowed by zeus while she was pregnant w her like how effie swallows food at an insane rate
sunny- lost from light is pretty obvious but also if we take light to mean apollo, then hes 'lost' from everything he represents i.e. prophecy and oracles- hes fateless. apollo also represents protection of the young which god knows sunny didnt have
kai(my glorious king my goat)- lego ninjago idk.. genuinely cant find anything apart from the fact that in persian kai means king and in ancient greek kai means and.. nightingales represent love, beauty, and melancholy tho so pls help me out and find smth for him
jet - pretty obvious soul reaper means soul reaper idk but she does use a scythe which makes my brain go KRONOS immediately so yeah he castrated the sky w a adamantine scythe if u wanted to know
i posted it like now but im not sure if theyre active? im gonna think abt links w sunny tho cus im lacking in sunny theories
Aight. But post it when the comments seem active, so everyone can read it.
lmaoo
@miimoreo keeping the balance, there's ss related comments and and off topics ones at the same time
im backk so effies true name, raised by wolves, is a direct reference to romulus and remus. in the founding myth of rome, romulus and remus were twins born of a vestal virgin and mars (ares), so another link to war as a concept there, and they were left in a river to die by drowing (cassie saw effie "drowing" in nightmare creatures in the forgotten shore vision) but were saved by a FEMALE WOLF!! who RAISED them!! and this vestal virgin, their mother, was a descendant of the king of the latins, who himself was a descendant of aeneas who is the SON OF APHRODITEE!! and if we're going w aphrodite areia being a part of war god this is a clear link ! aeneas also escaped from the trojan WAR but was fighting for the trojans so.. still i think this connections cool bcs romulus (after he killed remus) is a symbol of the usherance in of the new 'roman' age to me, separating it from greco-s*it and effies sort of similar as her son is a symbol of a new generation of the nightmare spell
outta space
i gtg for now but ive got another link between effie and war god
COOK
final thing for now probs– daemonssss
weaver- arachne, but also the fates (moirai) bcs the fates controlled human lives with a string (sound familiar) and cut it when they died and arachne Sorrowful explained amazingly. ANDD THE FATES ONLY HAD ONE EYE BETWEEN THE THREE OF THEM LIKE HOW VTB TOOK WEAVERS EYE
nether- his name makes me think underworld and so does the whole prince thing, destiny works cus evb is destined to end up in the underworld, but also choice bcs ur choices while alive can get u into elysium or leave u in the fields of asphodel
hope- elpis, stuck in the jar boom but also eros again cus demon of 'desire' and in the psyche myth aphrodite locked him away so psyche couldnt see him
oblivion- this reminds me of how the greeks believed in names having power; they wouldnt say hades' name bcs they didnt want the god of death to notice them and drag them down early– similar concept?
out of space again lol
OH MY GODDD!!!!!! DEF DEF DEFFF!! the stories were myths in which the gods took advantage of, cheated, abused or otherwise mistreated humans or eachother which athena took as a slight on them which fits with how weaver wants to expose the 'lies' of the gods like how arachne presented what she was their true nature and expose their lies in acting righteous!! and we know how that myth ended for her (athena bashed her over the head w a part of a loom and turned her into a spider 😭) good luck weaver
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So for arachne being weaver in SS, there is another clue which you have probably found, but I thought I should lay it bare. We know weaver created the spell, for the purpose? we don't know. If you read about her, arachne wove a traspetry of hubris, meaning of self-pride/arrogance. If my memory is not betraying me, vividly I remember Weaver being called arrogant by the gods, but I can be misremembering. It's a cool fact with solidifies more the connection between arachne and waever (for those not knowing of Arachnes story).
Edit: Arachne also added tales filled with deceiveiment and lies inside the tapestry (of male gods assuming other forms and deceiving women). Similar to the nightmares which the cohort experienced, filled with what the gods had done.
Also, sunny suspects the true motive behind the spell.
definitely i just rlly wish there was one good fit
Couldn't G3 have combined multiple myths to create the gods of ss?
(I don't know anything. I àm just shooting in the dark here.)
and u can even go further back to phonecian and sumerian myths and have sum real wild s*it happen like aphrodite being ishtar and also astarte and adonis being tamuz and persephone being older than her husband and i think also coming from ereshkigal or dionysus being the god pan AND sum funny s*it like how the greeks might have thought the god pan was dead only cus they heard the cult of tamuz talking abt HIS death and translated wrong😭😭
The tough part is not that there is a lot, it's that there are MANY different interpretations due to text. Different poems, texts and leftover messages from many different authors are pieced together, compared and most don't even pave the same path.
Now, going even deeper, there are drawn lines with for example roman gods. So for example Helios the personification of the sun has it's roman equivalent Sol. Besides roman, there is also celtic.
And you can go back and forth because sometimes the lines aline, as with pluto and hades, and sometimes they don't.
good luck on ur thesis !! im sure you'll do great
You make it look like my brain is not braining 😭
I would love to chat more about this, but I have to get my thesis fixed and have 3 days left. I'll probably drop by again later and see what you cooked. I'll dwelve a bit deeper into mythology myself. So you don't feel as lonely.
Gotta check cassandra of troy too. Can't forget any of our blind queens lore.
effie- athena is literally god of battle tactics and strategy go figure, both use spears, athena's epithet 'promachos' (she who fights in front) is literally effie to a tee, athenas mother was swallowed by zeus while she was pregnant w her like how effie swallows food at an insane rate
sunny- lost from light is pretty obvious but also if we take light to mean apollo, then hes 'lost' from everything he represents i.e. prophecy and oracles- hes fateless. apollo also represents protection of the young which god knows sunny didnt have
kai(my glorious king my goat)- lego ninjago idk.. genuinely cant find anything apart from the fact that in persian kai means king and in ancient greek kai means and.. nightingales represent love, beauty, and melancholy tho so pls help me out and find smth for him
jet - pretty obvious soul reaper means soul reaper idk but she does use a scythe which makes my brain go KRONOS immediately so yeah he castrated the sky w a adamantine scythe if u wanted to know
Wow this makes sense to me.